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[user_1919]

hello,

I was wondering what you guys think about age and psychedelics. Me and my uncle had a relativily long conversation about me using psychedelics. Im 17 years old. I told him all my experiences and how they have changed my life and I also told him how it has open my eyes to so much that is going on in this world. I think the reason why he is supressing my psychedelic usage is because his first time he look lsd (didnt work, so he says) and then anywhere from 4-7 grams of mushrooms. He did not know where he was going from there. He was only experienced with marijuana and booze. So now he is telling me to stay away from them till im about 30 years old. I tend to disagree. But he has broughten up some good points. Like im still very young and my mind is still developing. I'm also developing my social skills and psychedelics can mess around with these sort of things. Any opinion is welcome to this subject. I would like to also hear from people who used then when they were young and now are older...Thanks...peace

 

[lol*fan]

It sounds like your psychedelic use is only influencing your mental and social development in a positive way. I think you should watch what kind of psychedelics you use. Regular LSD use can cause unwelcome flashbacks later on in your life I've heard. If you didn't know, look it up on the internetz. Shrooms should be no problem I think.

 

[user_1919]

I've never used LSD, and I dont plan onto for a few years. I've only used mushrooms 3 times since I have got into them. Which was over a year ago. I'm a regular cannabis user, but that should be fine. And I think my uncle is only really worried because he has frightening experiences and is afarid I wont be able to handle it, which has been proven wrong. I've had a horrible trip on Salvia and on mushrooms.....but those are realitivy low doses(3 grams)

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I think one should be at least 8 years old.

The problem is not so much the effects of the psychedelics to the nervous system, but the danger of seeing such far-out and illuminating things, that you'll feel alienated from people who have not seen and experienced these things. Hence in a psychedelic culture (most indigenous cultures) the holy sacrament is taken around age 12 or 14, and that gives no problems whatsoever. But if an American or European child does that, he may wish to drop out, join some hippie community and regret it later (no education -> no job -> no money -> no freedom).

From a neurological point of view, you can probably dose an infant without permanently blowing their mind. Not entirely sure though, so don't try that at home. But there have been thousands of twelve year olds soaring on sacred mushrooms or iboga or ayahuasca, in shamanic communities, and it seems that works fine. It's in modern society that this raises problems.

My personal view is the sooner the better. If the psychedelic experience is enlightening, why wait? Why deny your children a vision of the divine unity? Why wait with taking away fear of death?

When I talk about psychedelics I only mean LSD, psilocybine, DMT and ibogaine. All other psychedelics (natural or synthetic) are questionable as to their long term effects, and perhaps if we're talking age, that should include regular use of cannabis. Not sure what to think of Fly Agaric yet.

I don't have flashbacks. And if they would come, I'd welcome them. Maybe it's that attitude which prevents them from happening to me, whereas fear and resistance actually trigger them.

I'm also developing my social skills and psychedelics can mess around with these sort of things.

They don't mess up your social skills, they tend to improve them. But you become more sensitive to the terrible social skills of the people around you, even your friends, family and teachers. That's the big problem.

 

[Psychoid]

Since I started using psychedelics, my life is so much better. My social skills improved a lot, I feel much better about everything because of all they taught me and made me understand and notice. My whole manner of thinking about hundreds of things have completely changed.

I could'nt say a precise age at which it would be good to start using psychedelics, but for sure you can start young. But at least let the brain builds up. I think something like 12 years old would be good for a first psychedelic experience.

CaduceusMercurius, you forgot to mention MDMA in psychedelic substances. This is the substance that gave my my first psychedelic experience, and started to interest me about drugs and spirit. I had a PROFOUND introspection that night, that made me know myself so much more, physically and spiritually, and that made me feel a lot more comfortable with myself. I actually realized that I was doing a lot of things that went against my manner of thinking, and that to reach a state of real well-being with myself I had to change my way of acting in life so that my physical and sprititual beings are in harmony with each other.

How psychedelics changed my way of acting with people? In a mushroom trip, I understood the source of my shyness. I cared too much about what others were thinking about me. Then I would hide my personality to everyone, so that they couldn't have any negative thought about it, since they don't see it. At some point of the trip I saw myself as if I was someone else, and felt pity for that person, and thought I shouldn't feel this way about myself. Then I started thinking about how I could change things, how to suppress that shyness that bounds my personnality into my head. Then a thought popped into my head, a thought that didn't come from me, but from the Truth. It told me that in order to overcome my shyness, all I had to do is to show my personnality to people. To say what I think the way I think. To act as I want to. I felt very confident at that moment that people would like my personnality. Of course, some people won't, but why care about these?

To conclude, psychedelics have affected a lot my way of thinking and acting with people, in only positive ways. Very positive. I don't wanna think about who I would be if I had never taken any drug. That scares me. All the teachings psychedelic substances gave me improved my life in all kind of ways. Suppressed a lot of negative feelings from my life.

The problem is not so much the effects of the psychedelics to the nervous system, but the danger of seeing such far-out and illuminating things, that you'll feel alienated from people who have not seen and experienced these things.

That is true. When I talk to some people, people who never took any mind-expanding drug at all, the way they talk sometimes make me feel like they really are mentally inferior. Not that I am superior to them. But it's like I'm a single warrior with a wooden stick trying to penetrate a bunker. The problem seems to be that most people seems to do not be able to think by themselves. They take what we first tell them for the truth, and never question it.

ugh, that post is long enough ^^

EDIT: PS: I'm 17 years old at the moment, gonna be 18 in 2 months. My first psychedelic experience was at the age of 16. I started smoking cannabis at 15, but it seems that cannabis becomes a psychedelic only once you've taken other psychedelics like MDMA, shrooms or LSD. And for flashbacks, I think it is just different for everyone. I have a lot of them, seeing textures waving is now part of my everyday life. Even more when I'm stoned. In my 2 last shroom trip, I smoked some cigarettes. Since then, smoking a cigarettes sometimes send me back into the feelings I had in those trips. I find those flashback to be very enjoyable, give a bit of magic to your everyday life

 

[Dantediv86]

well i don't really agree on the sooner the better because of the frailty of the young mind...even sex as a practice should be a taboo to youngsters until a certain age 14 at least...and i'm not talking about an occidental view of it, even in indigenous tribes sex is taboo until 12 no previous education on it whatsoever. liaison closed. one more thing indigenous tribes have an expectancy of life that is not over 50 y.of age. so they start their practices around 12 -14 in our society that age would translate to 17-18 years of age which in our culture is when a person comes of age...i think it is a perfect period to try anything really
so for user1919 i think you are good to go without problems cause your mind is strenghtening by the day and your neural connections are set and your brain is descarding the "useless" neurons...i think that if you start using psychedelics no harm will be done maybe you have a chance to save the "useless" neurons that your brain is descarding and therefore have a heavier brainmass (which is not so bad it gives more RAM to your system if you think of it in a "cybernetic" way).

 

[Psychoid]

No one develops at the same rate. I'd say the safest age I could say would be 18. But I'm 17 and already had quite a few psychedelic experiences. And as I already explained I think I started at a correct age, I have had absolutely no negative effect from my drug use (my lungs suffer a bit from my cannabis use but thats all...). It is just very important to start with low doses and to wait a few months between each psychedelic experience. Also, I think Cannabis should never be taken more than once a week.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

CaduceusMercurius, you forgot to mention MDMA in psychedelic substances.

No, I didn't forget MDMA. I know of MDMA's qualities, psychologically and spiritually. However, since it is such a new substance, and because there's also some odd qualities about it, I do not consider it safe for the developing nervous system.

I'm interested in alternatives to MDMA: natural substances with an empathogenic effect, that have been used by humans for at least a few centuries, and have thus proven themselves reasonably safe. For this reason I would like to try different doses of Kanna and mescaline.

And good point made by Dantediv86, I don't think sex is good for young children, and even masturbation should not be encouraged until the body is fully developed. This is because the developing nervous system needs lecithin and zinc, and large amounts of these are thrown out of the body during ejaculation. Although sexual suppression is unhealthy (as rightly pointed out by Freud), overstimulation isn't healthy either. There can be as much (if not more) sexual frustration in the life of a teenager bombarded by sexual TV programs and Internet porn, as in the life of someone who voluntarily refrains. Practicing celibacy is useful for being in a relationship later on as well. And tripping balls without your balls being agitated is quite pleasant too.

 

[qqwwqwq]

Everyone develops in all aspects at different rates. Some people would handle it better than others, regardless of age. I think it's more dependent on how mature you are mentally, than physically. It's safe to say that anyone 12 and under is way too young to be experiencing any kind of drug, especially psychedelics.

 

[GOD]

I`m 51 and i`ve had a real LSD trip with a 4 year old kid once and mushrooms with two kids when they were 6 .7 and 8 . They are now 30 and the sanest people i know . My daughter had a mushroom trip when she was 3 . I didn`t give them the trips . Your uncle is projecting his thing onto / into you , he sounds like he`s fucked in the head , be carefull he dont fuck yours , most alk drinkers are so negative . He should not take drugs . Kids dont know what bad trips are and they are not fucked up in the head they just play with the fairys and LAUGH . I think the earlyer the better 4 , 5 , 6 , when its in a controlled environment with loving people , trips expand the mind and have been shown to make 10% intelligenter .

 

[thadivine]

CaduceusMercurius, you forgot to mention MDMA in psychedelic substances.

No, I didn't forget MDMA. I know of MDMA's qualities, psychologically and spiritually. However, since it is such a new substance, and because there's also some odd qualities about it, I do not consider it safe for the developing nervous system.

I'm interested in alternatives to MDMA: natural substances with an empathogenic effect, that have been used by humans for at least a few centuries, and have thus proven themselves reasonably safe. For this reason I would like to try different doses of Kanna and mescaline.

And good point made by Dantediv86, I don't think sex is good for young children, and even masturbation should not be encouraged until the body is fully developed. This is because the developing nervous system needs lecithin and zinc, and large amounts of these are thrown out of the body during ejaculation. Although sexual suppression is unhealthy (as rightly pointed out by Freud), overstimulation isn't healthy either. There can be as much (if not more) sexual frustration in the life of a teenager bombarded by sexual TV programs and Internet porn, as in the life of someone who voluntarily refrains. Practicing celibacy is useful for being in a relationship later on as well. And tripping balls without your balls being agitated is quite pleasant too.

mescalin is not on your list either ? Can you tell me why?

 

[Rymmen]

Well... I started at sixteen. Started with weed, smoked it a couple of times, then did E, because I was drawn to its hedonist qualities, got interested in LSD because the changes in perception that I liked with weed seemed to be present. Keep in mind, all this time I was a social alcoholic; finishing a bottle of tequila a day.

The city was dry of LSD for a few months, and I wanted to further explore, so I took up DXM, without really researching it. Big mistake, as I underestimated it, given that I took LSD really well. I was on the third plateau for the first trip. Did more research, and started working up the plateaus in a healthier way, and, when I hit the fourth plateau, my life changed absolutely. I had dropped E since my first LSD trip, realizing that the happiness produced by it was like soma from Brave New World: a simple escape. I've been more sociable and happier without E, anyway. In between DXM trips, I did coke twice, but it was just boring, and not worth the risks at all. Anyway, after fourth plateau DXM, I stopped drinking, having no desire to stupify myself in a way without real benifit, and also stopped smoking weed for the same reason. Did mushrooms and peyote, too... had fun, discovered that even though morality is relative, I still have a moral compass, that I love intensity in my life, found truth Perennial philosophy and some aspects of Zen Buddhism (mainly, mindfulness), opened my mind to a whole spectrum of beauty that lasts even while I'm sober, learned respect for life, have travelled to all time and space in an instant (subjectively speaking), discovered what a dramatic thing being real is. After a second fourth plateau trip on DXM, though, I dropped that, finding it essentially monotone, too damaging to my body, and not being able to bring back enough from my soul to my consciousness for it to be worth it.

Next trip is with a girl that wants someone experienced to guide her through in December, maybe. Should be with a few blotters for me, and one or two for her (I'm going to encourage one, myself).

Right now, only if I find something I haven't tried before would I do it, I'm having too much fun having lucid dreams, watching nature around me, and learning rather pointless, yet interesting academic facts.

Was I ready? I think so. I have made several mistakes with my earlier life, and psychedelics have 1) made me feel comfortable with them, and 2) helped me guide myself out of them. How is what I want to know.

Also, I'm seventeen right now, and turn 18 until May.

 

[faithless]

I`m 51 and i`ve had a real LSD trip with a 4 year old kid once and mushrooms with two kids when they were 6 .7 and 8 . They are now 30 and the sanest people i know . My daughter had a mushroom trip when she was 3 . I didn`t give them the trips . Your uncle is projecting his thing onto / into you , he sounds like he`s fucked in the head , be carefull he dont fuck yours , most alk drinkers are so negative . He should not take drugs . Kids dont know what bad trips are and they are not fucked up in the head they just play with the fairys and LAUGH . I think the earlyer the better 4 , 5 , 6 , when its in a controlled environment with loving people , trips expand the mind and have been shown to make 10% intelligenter .

Just wondering, are you serious? I mean, i don't reject your opinion, but this seems so amazing to me I can't beleive it.

You'd really give lsd/shrooms to children of 4 or 5 years old? Wouldn't it be dangerous for them? I mean, their are building themselves at that age, isn't it possible that such a great change on their perceptions would fuck them up?


Btw, could you plz give a link/source of that 10% intelligenter thing?


Thanks

 

[Guest]

trips expand the mind and have been shown to make 10% intelligenter .

...and EVERYONE knows that intelligence is something that can be measured in %...

...I'd be curious to read the source of this statement...

 

[Lion]

There are tribes (mexican, rainforestan, and back in the mayaperiod) who gave/give children mindexpanding drugs..

 

[????????]

I'm also developing my social skills and psychedelics can mess around with these sort of things.

From my experience I can tell you this: Yes, psychedelics mess around with social skills and a lot more, but the result is positive, as I'm sure you've read one can become enlightened and see things in new, improved ways.

PS: GOD is 51 years old!! :shock:

 

[Guest]

PS: GOD is 51 years old!! :shock:

Again!
So we should stop giving the man such a hard time with dumbass questions!!

 

[Dantediv86]

couldn't you tell by the way he writes that GOD's more mature than us?

 

[GOD]

"Just wondering, are you serious? I mean, i don't reject your opinion, but this seems so amazing to me I can't beleive it."

Yes i am serious . They werent my kids allthough my daughter had a mushroom trip from her mom when she was three . They were mostly the kids of friends of mine and they have all grown up to be intelligent , responsible adults who work and dont abuse drugs .

"You'd really give lsd/shrooms to children of 4 or 5 years old? Wouldn't it be dangerous for them? I mean, their are building themselves at that age, isn't it possible that such a great change on their perceptions would fuck them up? "

I wouldnt give them trips , i am not trained to do that . And the fact that they are just developing their mind is the reason that i said about doing it at that age . They havent learned that they should be scared of tripping and they dont even know that they are doing something special , they just acept it as another new experience . For them its no different than going to disney land for the first time or taking them on a roller coaster / big dipper at the faire .

"There are tribes (mexican, rainforestan, and back in the mayaperiod) who gave/give children mindexpanding drugs.."

Thanks Lion . And those kids dont become lunatics or kill themselves or fuck up nature or drop atom bombs on people or invade Iraq .

"could you plz give a link/source of that 10% intelligenter thing?"

Not again , please . I have just explained that in another thread in great detail a few days ago . If you look around you will find it . I havent got the name of the thread in my head at the moment but i will post it here as soon as i remember .

"and EVERYONE knows that intelligence is something that can be measured in %..."

I explained that in the same thread that i just mentioned to . Please find it and read it .

"GOD is 51 years old!! "

51 and three quarters !?!?!?

"So we should stop giving the man such a hard time with dumbass questions!!"

Hey mama someone thinks that i`m a man , shit that he is not a she !!!!!

"couldn't you tell by the way he writes that GOD's more mature than us?"

The only way that i am more mature is like cheese , the more mature it is the more it stinks !!!!

 

[Forkbender]

I guess it all has to do with the person who is experiencing these things. I wouldn't give a traumatized six-year old, who was abused by his father and neglected by his alcoholic mother an heroic dose of LSD. That seems just wrong. (oh, really, Forkbender, does it?). On the other hand, the kid might come over it (at least partially), but only with the loving help of a shaman/therapeut.