1st timer with San Pedro

[Otto]

Helllo everyone, this is my first post here which is one of the best psychedelic forums out there.

Anyway I have 40gs of powdered San Pedro, and the source is legit. I have a pretty low tolerance towards substances of these kinds, perhaps because I'm a small guy, so I expect a light, hopefully medium trip.

I've been a bum for the last year, and I realized I need to change. However I'm depressed and can't find motivation. The reason I say this is because you could say my 'intention' is that the experience be a learning/healing/changing one.

Never tried Mshrooms although I have a strong desire to.
Where I live I could easily take Ayahuasca, but I think it's too powerful for me at this moment. So I ordered the San Pedro but I've been putting it off for a while now.

Maybe it's out of respect but I always hear that you must wait for the 'plant to call you'. Some might say that's BS, well I kinda believe that. I'm trying to have a spiritual approach about the whole thing, I've been reading a lot on San Pedro, the icaros, mesas etc. It seems like the Natives regard them as actual spiritual medicines.

I plan to dose at morning on a sunny day with blue skies which are fortunately common around this time.

So I have some questions....

1) I've been living indoors for a while, but I have access to a very nearby beach and a small park. How should I go about it? Take the SP, and get outside? I don't want to be puking or acting mad in public... Peak indoors and go outside when I'm 'coming down'? Would it be wise to walk around or just to sit back and relax with nature? Note that I do not have a siiter, unfortunately.

2)I've made a playlist on both my PC and my MP3 player which I think will help guide the trip in a positive light should I need it. Is music an important part of the experience? Does it enhance the trip in any way, or are you better off without it, in silence?

3) How am I going to down all that powder? I know, there are recipes, but I'm way too lazy. Mixing a bit of Gatorade and a black Halls for the aftertaste?

4)What are the spiritual implications of this experience? From what I've read, this seems like one of the most 'benevolent' psychedelics, despite the fact that it's a cactus (amazing in itself).

I sometimes hear about negs and it freaks me out because once I was being 'raped' by a succubus, in one of three near-OBEs I had years ago. It was super bizarre. Well ghosts and spirits freak me out in general.

Is there any way, maybe simpler than the mesa that seems so important to the shamans, to protect myself from harm and successfully contact my protectors in the spiritual world? Or am I stretching it - maybe this would happen on a DMT trip, but not 40g SP?

I apologize for any misstatements, I'm really just a noob. Nice to meet you all.
Otto

 

[GOD]

Jödel Otto wilkommen zum forum ,

Take it inside and then IF you can / feel like it go for a walk . Its best not to wander round outside zapped out of your brains though .

 

[Brugmansia]

1) I'd advice you to consume the SP and stay at home the first hour, you'll probably yawn and get drowsy with feelings of nausea and being poisonous.

I'd advice a nap if possible. Don't worry, you've got plenty of time to go somewhere, San Pedro will stay in your body for quite a long time. I'd advice the beach, or anyplace with a wide field of vision. The forest may feel as detention. You'll need to be in able to look far away all around you. Space and a big surface with not too much people. Or just at home, since the dreaming possibility may get life-changing for evermore. And you'll need segregation for comfort in that case.

2) Music is a must. SP is a natural amphetamine, you'll have phases similar to those of MDMA, extreme joyness and seeing the world as a child with grand euphoric imagination and empathy. Dancing with a bee that zooms around your head and such episodes. Or fictitious animation characters founded through fantasy. Accompanied by a blissful outburst of emotions. But sounds also melt into lucid scenes with closed eyes.

3) Proper ingestion is crucial, it can make the difference between the time of your life and sickness with dissapointment.

I don't know your system or metabolism, but TAKE TIME FOR THIS. DO NOT THROW UP. Have an empty stomach. Boiled juice of cactus contains the highest concentration of alkaloids. But you can also mix the powder so that it's drinkable. Please pay attention to this because this is not acid, shroom tea or a DMT brew. You need willingness to take patience for preperation and ingestion.

4) It is very kind-hearted, so tender that you start to wonder how such a plant could survive in such a harsh stink world. It is the power of baby green.

You're clearly in able to judge your environment, it hardly bends. Everything looks pretty normal with eyes open, except that it all glows and it's witnessed as sharp as crystal glass.

Don't get scared if you've trouble to determine whether you're dreaming or not, that's the only thing that may scare you in the beginning. At high dosages, everything becomes a sort of dream. It is like nothing really exists, it is just seen as a disguise, but there is no truth. Don't feel pressured to hold touch with reality, the possibilities are endless at that point. There's hardly gravity, and it is like your physique is almost weightless. Everything you touch is as soft as a sheet. So does your skin feel.

With closed eyes, a brand new world can be build up out of imagination. Yes, you'll feel revealed because your deepest secrets are reflected. Do not doubt, compile your dreams in the long-drawn-out tunnels and strechted area's with closed eyes, and go to live them. What you fear is your identity which has gotten it's shames due to a life with other identities who have set up collective habits and thoughts which decide what is normal and what not.

Walk deeper into the back of your closed eyes if you think it's possible, anything you want to know about the external world makes no sense. Except the plant kingdom and animals.

Everything else is unfruitful in there, even seeing profound meanings of what we call life. Don't reflect yourself in order to invest in the normal life. Because it's measuring your dreams with the choice of those who designed the life that we obvlious live. They ain't worth it so don't metaprogram in order to adjust. Create your own perfect world because any other will not get you to your naked self that has gotten it's true self-love with manhood and feminism.

Once it is over, there's time to pick up the shared life with sane.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Brumangsia and Pedro sitting in a tree... making green babies

 

[Otto]

Thank you a lot for your kind replies, very useful to me. I'm definitely feeling more reassured after reading your advice.

 

[st.bot.32]

good luck, i loved my first experience with san pedro (30g of powder).. and plan to try it again later this year..

 

[Brugmansia]

I always tend to fall into a complete disconnected realm for myself through this wonderful plant. Although the deep empathy persists throughout my whole experiences, I have the urge to choose primairly for my inner perspective.

Since I'm not overwhelmed by losing it, while having the powerful potention to dream, I control the direction. From where the plant and I start to work on drawning my dreams to serve my deepests wishes and desires which are impossible in the world with sober levels. DMT, LSD and Psilo tend to push me into my seat making me submissive. Since mescaline has been associated with 'the only way to fly', it might refer to decreased awareness of gravity and the control to compile dreams, from where the experience gets a repeated shift up in intensity.

Ever since I tried this substance, I got a feeling of being gifted. But I lost cocksize too, got more softened at sober levels, tolerant and more noble minded and open-handed.

But there is this feeling of getting distanted from life and people as well, and this didn't really happened with psilo, DMT and acid. Those brought me closer to people and the system. With San Pedro I didn't got aliened, but more less caring and pointing my finger at individual self responsibility.

It also made me more stable, dealing with other experiences from other psychoactives got way more smooth, and giving my whole altered perception a place as well.

I always had and have my very subjective advice and view on this heavenly compound. I'm curious to hear your experience Otto. And those of others if they are willing to share them in order to get more diverse views on cactus for people who're looking for such info on psychonaut.com

 

[user_1919]

Brugmansia, what doses do you usually take. I took 45 grams and did not have an experience that intense. I am going to try 60 grams soon, and see if that brings me to the states you are describing. The only problem is it starts to last very long. 45 grams lasted 19 hours, and the guy who sold me the pedro said that 60 grams lasted him 24 hours.

peace & love

 

[Brugmansia]

I used to dry 60 cm San Pedro (bought from Azarius) and then swallow the dried parts with juice. I dried the parts by removing the skin very carefully and putting them in front of a fan. I have never had any powder actually, I don't think there is any difference but I'm not aware of how much powder is required to dive strongly into the inner dream state. Meditation is essential. The effects are getting stronger during the inner course as the time goes by. Make sure you're laying down in a comfortable position.

Next time I'm going to blend the same size San Pedro, and then boil it for 2 hours. Appearently boiled juice (with a minimum amount of water) contains the highest concentration of alkaloids.

Either that, or the heat makes absorptions easier and faster so less material is broken down before it enters the bloodstream.

My trips used to last 18 hours, with another 4-6 hours of profound inner warmth and extremly happy as merely a being in life. It can be described as living as hygienic as a virgin philosophy.

One thing I'm almost sure of that there's no such thing as consuming too much cacti accidentally, it'll be rare if someone overwhelms himself with too much material. It is too often ignored after trying it once, due to the high prize, and underdose which may be considered as much.

According the Native American Church, they used to take 100 peyote buttons ( ) and they 'took off'. Guess it implicates something as closing your eyes and vanishing into a lucid dream, losing boundries with environment, and disconnected from gravity and the body.

I wonder what an heroic dose would be like. Man, 'tsucks with peyote in the wild.

If the boiling method works better or at least as good with no stomach cramps (which are terrible and long-lasting with dried SP material, being stubborn enough to suffer) there's no doubt that I'm going to increase dose untill I come to the point of losing it. The highest level of a peyote trip lasts 72 hours according some literature.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

There is alot of potency difference in dried cactus, I found out that usually the darker the powder, the more powerful but it could be wrong with some varieties.

You can take 40 g and just be ok, or have a full blown experience, go slowly and be careful !